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Should you invest in PMS Schemes | Portfolio Yoga

Should you invest in PMS Schemes

One of the great surprises of the 2008 financial crisis was that investing in Hedge Funds did not really hedge you when markets turned down. You lost as much if not more of what a simple Index fund investor would have. 

While India has had a few Hedge Funds, one strong growth area has been Mutual Funds and Portfolio Management Schemes. This is not surprising given that most countries at one point or the other have seen a financialization of savings. 

While both Mutual Funds and PMS are sold directly, a greater proportion has been sold by co-opting advisors by paying them a fee that is related to the amount of investment and the tenure of such investment. 

This is not a new model and one that has been there for ages. In fact, in one post of mine here earlier I had highlighted how I started in business by canvassing for fixed deposits. The reason for such canvassing was the percentage cut I used to get. It’s amazing when I look in hindsight how for a small cut, we the advisor are willing to put our name at risk with friends and family.

Portfolio Management Schemes are seen as strategies for the sophisticated investor and the way we define sophisticated is that they are able to invest a minimum of 50 Lakhs to get an entry. 

Why the high minimums? The idea is that if you have 50 Lakhs, you should be able to take a much higher risk (and hence afford to lose much more). No one wants to lose money, but without risk, there is no reward either.

I am sure most readers are familiar with what a PMS is, so I won’t expand on them but on why I don’t think PMS should be part of your investing basket. Yep, you read it right. My view is that other than the very rare instance, PMS doesn’t really add value to your investment 

First, let’s see how PMS are different from a Mutual Fund. The biggest difference is that unlike in Mutual Funds where the funds are pooled and stocks bought for the whole pool with investors allocated units, in a PMS, all the stocks bought stay in your own Demat Account. 

Does this really add value? Aashish Somiah explained in a tweet a while back on why this was advantageous to the investor.

Concentration is the key differentiator between a Mutual Fund and PMS for most part. Take for example HDFC Top 100 fund. It has 53 Stocks in the Portfolio. Most PMS on the other hand have portfolios of size that are 20 or lower. This along with good stock selection makes it possible to out-perform in bull markets though in bear market and sudden bear attacks like the one we saw in March, they are as caught as any other fund, personalized or not. 

‘Will fund flows have an impact on your returns? It depends on multiple factors including the fund size. A small fund for instance may be forced to exit good stocks to pay off existing investors who want an exit leaving the rest holding illiquid and maybe bad stuff. This is especially true in Debt funds where funds saw their bad assets grow in size because of exits by other unit holders who were paid off by selling good assets.

But if the fund is of significant size, the impact from others behavior is lower though I don’t think there is an easy way to calculate it.

So, why don’t I think it’s worthwhile to invest in a PMS and instead a Mutual Fund or a Index Fund is a much better option.

The first reason is fees. Mutual Fund fees, especially direct are falling and now available at a much lower rate compared a few years back. Index funds for instance charge just around 0.10% (Large Cap) which is really rounding off error in the long term. You cannot go anycheaper than that for a market that is not the size of the United States.

PMS on the other hand have 2 types of fees. A fixed fee that is anywhere between 1% to 2% and a performance fee that incredibly is not linked to the market but a fixed return. This means that if the market moves up 50% and I generate 50%, I take a cut (above 5% or 10% or 0% hurdle rate). The only silver lining is that many firms do have a high water mark cut off which means that once you have paid a certain performance fee, the next fee calculation will start only above it. 

Fees are a hindrance to Compounding. Longer the holding period, more the impact of fees. In 2018, Vikas Bardia wrote a post showcasing the difference in returns if Berkshire Hathway was a 2 and 20 Hedge Fund Manager. The clincher?

However, if instead of running Berkshire Hathaway as a company in which Buffett co-invests with you, had he set it up as a hedge fund and charged the usual hedge fund fee structure of 2/20 (i.e. 2% management fee + 20% of any gains), then the ₹10,000 investment would’ve only become ₹89 lakhs — the balance ₹10 crores would’ve been pocketed by Buffett as fees!

Vikas Bardia

The second impediment is tax. Till 2018, Long Term gains were tax free and till 2020, Dividend tax was paid by the companies. Both have changed and are negative to PMS investors versus Mutual Funds for PMS investing is treated to be the same as Individual Investing with taxes being paid every year. 

Mutual Funds, Index Funds, PMS, AIF have all one thing in common – churn. Some are high, some are low and churn has costs that are common to all of them. Whereas the churn of your mutual fund will not mean anything for you, churn in the PMS needs action from your end in either having to pay the required taxes or claiming the losses for future set offs. 

Launching a Mutual Fund requires 50+ Crores in Capital and 5 Crores (was 2 Crores until recently) in Capital for PMS. It’s not surprising to see the huge number of funds. I myself was until recently involved in a Portfolio Management company but unlike others we offered differentiation in terms of being able to have your own asset allocation mix and a price momentum portfolio that for now has no competition.

With more funds chasing the very same stocks, it’s not easy to really differentiate one from another. Finally, when investing for the long term, fees really add over time. As a saying goes, The only two certainties in life are death and taxes – we cannot avoid death, but we can to an extent save on Taxes.

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8 Responses

  1. KKP_Investor says:

    Thanks Prashant for great article. Yes, avoiding PMS schemes is good and if you see the performance is publicly available like MF, they are nothing to brag about. They are more geared towards large portfolios where two to three PMS schemes can be picked, but the same can be done with 5 mutual funds also. Also, liquidity factor is so good with MF.

    What is even better than MF is ETFs, but India really has too few choices, but it will grow in 2021-25 timeframe.

    US is creating very creative ETFs and they match the Hedge Fund, Call Writing, Risk Adjusted, and even ones that would do QQQ investing relative to 200EMA (in and out with 100% to 0% invested position)!

    Keep the articles coming…..

    • Prashanth Krish says:

      Thanks KKP. Thanks to the fact that you need a Mutual Fund License (which itself is not easy to acquire) to launch a ETF and one that is not really worthwhile to the AMAC vs Active funds, we have barely seen much action.

      During the recent fall, we had funds trade at a hefty premium to the NAV due to lack of Market Makers. Index funds in that context appear much better. Hopefully things will change with time.

  2. Vishnu says:

    I’ve seen this “Buffet hedge fund” type arguments with a lot of numbers in several places.

    Let’s say Buffett runs this fund, and I invest with this fund. Even after paying fees, I would get a CAGR of roughly 13.7% on a single lumpsum invested 53 years ago, as per the numbers in Bardia’s article. So yes, Buffett would, hypothetically, make more than 10 times what I would, but I would still make approximately 6 times what I would have made with the same investment in the S&P 500.

    If I am a below average investor, with much less talent and skill than Buffett, I would definitely invest with this hedge fund, right? Is there something wrong with this line of thinking? Genuine question.

    • Prashanth Krish says:

      Hello Vishnu,

      If you can find Buffett, I agree, it still works in your favor. But from the data I have, I haven’t seen many funds been able to create great wealth without taking vastly higher risks (mostly in the Small cap Space). But more than the Risk, I am troubled by Taxes and Fees. The year on year need to pay taxes on total gains and partaking a percentage to the fund manager greatly limits his ability to generate Alpha for the end client.

      PMS works great for a fund manager. Its a way of taking leverage without the downside. Think of this way – your own capital of say 10 Crores yields you 20% return, that is a 2 Crore Profit. If you manage 500 Crores, your own say (assuming 20% model) is 100 Crores and you earn 20%, that is 20 Crores. Basically 10 times the leverage if things go right.

      If it goes wrong, yes, you lose face and clients, but the upside you have been able to capture is yours, there is no claw-back option available. I have tracked a few small cap funds. The upside in the good years were much better than the best small cap fund, but most of these are now having a draw-down of 50% or more. Even if they are still out-performing from Inception, this doesn’t hold true for many clients who would have entered not at their inception but when the strategy was doing great. Their loss is actually even bigger and not really visible.

  3. AHAJOY SREENIVASAN says:

    Dear Prashanth,

    What about offering such as First Global PMS offering of Global Multi Asset Strategy?

    Is it not a good strategy to diversify thru such PMS after completing the Indian MF quota in a folio

    • Prashanth Krish says:

      IMO, its cheaper and more liquid to invest globally using Index Funds / Fund of Funds available in India than a Global PMS that not only would have a higher cost structure but suffer from liquidity constraints as well.

      Even to just get a brochure, am asked for personal info – would say avoid.

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